Never using anything but!
I used these while traveling in England and the French Reviera in February and they are a game changer. I thought i snagged them on a patio Cafe chair in France I was expecting to walk away with torn hoses. Nope! Not even a snag. Don't skip on trying these. You will have no regrets is the only hose I will wear from now on. They helped keep me warm as well.